A conversation with distinguished Indigenous lawyer Doug White (Kwulasultun). …What does the Hišuk ma c̕awak Declaration mean? “The Pacheedaht are in a similar position that the Tŝilhqot’in Nation were 25 years ago… Provincial tenures and logging permits are inconsistent with our title. We need to figure out our own plans for these lands. So B.C., you need to take a pause … so that we can work out our approach to these forests and to this Aboriginal title landscape,’”. …Do Fairy Creek forestry agreements respect Aboriginal rights and title? The Pacheedaht First Nation’s most recent Forest Consultation and Revenue Sharing Agreement with the province, completed in February, gives them $242,338 for the first year of the three-year term. …How can forestry respect free, prior and informed consent? When nations take back control of their traditional territories there is also the standard of “free, prior and informed consent” to consider, which is recognised in UNDRIP.